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| Site of the American Dream Project in Red - Not Far From the Everglades |
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| It was recently put inside the UDB line. I am pretty sure Julio Robaina owns some of this land. |
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| Now the Chinese is from the Chairman of Triple 5. It says "You dummies in Miami will buy into anything." The Miami Herald says the company is owned by Iranians but there is plenty of Chinese on their site. Chinese funding? |
Triple Five Worldwide Ventures wants to build the world's largest shopping center in North West Dade County. It will even have a ski slope. They are going to call it the American Dream. They already had planned an American Dream (in 2003) for the New York area. I guess that didn't work out so well. It started out as Xanadu and morphed into American Dream.
Get out of here China, and stay out. You don't know what we want and don't try to disguise that you are not a Chinese Company by using a Canadian address. Or Iranian take your pick. I think the Chinese are well invested in this conglomerate of companies.
It looks like this project has Mayor Gimenez's eyes popping out of his head:
Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez on Thursday called the planned theme park the largest economic-development project in the county’s history.
New York Area American Dream project seems mighty like the Miami Project (recycle?).
They even used some of the same photos. This one was on the New York and Miami brochure:
We have something so much more -- Creepy People from Triple 5 -- The Everglades, our white sandy beaches, our boating and swimming 365 days a year in our blue-green water. Why do we need all this other crap and the biggest Mall in the Nation? There is winter for the current holder of the largest mall, Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota. They NEED A SHITTY BIG MALL. They don't have our environment and we already have the 5th largest mall in the USA, Aventura Mall (sans waterpark).
I guess Moss's Miami Wilds will be moot if this stupid venture goes through. I hate to tell you 'shopping theme park developers' that Amazon will do you in shortly and Miami folks can't afford your ski slope and tourists don't come here to ski.
Xanadu/American Dream in NY Area:
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| Love the Christie quote. |
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| In 2005 it was known as: Triple Five China Venture Limited 三個五中國企業有限公司  |
I think this is a Chinese funded Company that doesn't want the anger of all the 'PATRIOTS' in Florida so they say they are Canadians and their headquarters are in New Jersey. It is the same as the Malaysian Company, Genting, that has headquarters in NYC. Patriots: are you going to let China take over all the U.S. malls? How un-American can you get?
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I thought bricks and mortar stores and shopping experiences were becoming a thing of the past. As a matter of fact, it has been years since I have been to a shopping mall. Most of my purchases such as they are, are online, and delivered to my door. What population are they targeting? Tourists? Immigrants who have never had anything? Who?
Gimenez must be salivating over this latest scheme. As if traffic in the northwest quadrant wasn't bad enough now we have to worry about this monstrosity. We need a grass root effort to run Gimenez out of office. From giving our tax dollars to professional franchises to prime bay front lots for soccer stadiums to privatizing Crandon Golf Course to closing libraries, firing cops and giving away county contracts to friends! Where does it end with this megalomaniac mayor?
At a minimum Triple 5 should throw in an Indoor Skydiving Wind Tunnel - somebody tell them to contact Skyventure to get it done.
Indoor skydiving is as fun as fun gets - nothing like it on this planet besides jumping out of a real plane and having your life depend on some fabric and a bunch of string.
They will have the highest bungee jump in the world.
Surprise! Surprise! A quick check reveals no one appears to be registered as a lobbyist at Miami-Dade County for Triple 5. Not a principal or any of the usual suspects. Oh well, that's never stopped Hizzoner before and whoever gave him the book with pretty pictures and a blueprint for 20,000 jobs shouldn't matter, right? Maybe it was a golf buddy at the 19th hole.
first the Cubans, not the Chinese! When will it end
^i meant to say now instead of not
Memo to Gimenez: These are not real jobs. This is not real economic development.
First the Cubans what?
Get off the cross we need the wood. If anyone in this community should have a complaint it should be the Haitians. They are the target of discrimination.
I don't hate the Chinese I hate the money that is controlling this country and it is China's money buying up America.
When things don't work out wherever you started. When you get kicked out somewhere else. When your scam is uncovered in another city. Come to Miami! We have the right combination of sucker and corrupt and starstruck officials to welcome you with open arms and PAY you to come here and rip us off of our tax money and public lands.
There is so much of interest here!!
1- So now this project can be the terrorists target when they fhreaten to blow up the biggest mall in the US.
2- This just screw with all of the new malls already in the works. The downtown pedestrian mall planned to be built across from the Bayside outdoor mall. The Brickell Mall with its unique climate strip. The she-she upscale Winwood retail just opened. I'd think all of the Mall owners across the land will be up at arms.
3- Is there no understanding of how this will look as a failure - acres and acres of abandoned concrete. Hollywood, FL had its Fashion Mall sitting in the center of its city - dead - for over a decade. It was just torn down to build a WalMart.
4- Happily and hopefully this kills the water themepark project that results in destruction of the pine rockland at the Zoo.
5- Since there is no planned growth in Miami Dade County, investors beware - your projects haphazardly dot the countryside - there is no balance of competition or sense of placement. The result is typical Florida - a quick buck and then projects going belly up. Research the history of CocoWalk.
6- Ft Lauderdale is unloading a cheap wooden roller coaster - get it now for your amusement park!
The mall with a ski slope as well was to have been built adjacent to Giant stadium at the NJ meadowlands complex. Like this project it was touted to be an economic development windfall that would create thousands of jobs.
It began construction but was never completed. It became a white elephant and the meadowlands sports authority / NJ governor's office still trying to figure out what to do with it.
The Newark star ledger has written extensively about the failure of the project. Became real political issue in Jersey.
I didn't realize it was same folks proposing this here ... Absolute failure in NJ.
Wikipedia:
American Dream Meadowlands (ADM) is a retail and entertainment complex located in the Meadowlands Sports Complex in East Rutherford, New Jersey. It was first proposed in 2003 by the Mills Corporation as the Meadowlands Xanadu. After the bankruptcy of that company in 2007, the project was taken over by Colony Capital. In May 2009, construction stalled due to the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers.
The Triple Five Group announced intent to take over the mall in May 2011, and on July 31, 2013, officially gained control of the mall and the entire site, with ground-breaking set for late August. Construction officially began in November and the developer estimated it would take approximately 24 months to complete the project.[1][2] As of December 2014, the project is now scheduled to at least partially open by Fall of 2016.
Who vets these projects? And who checks out the developers? No one?
Hate it Hate it Hate it.
Gimenez also was doing the head tilt on the news interview.
The stories and history and pictures behind the great era of store chains that defined retail.
Www.deadmalls.com
Basically, once I pay my living expenses, and save to pay taxes, I have very little disposable income left. I don't believe in credit. Once the money goes, buying stops. There must be a new group of people with a lot of money coming to buy things in this mall.
Miami is known worldwide as the scam capital. It is very easy to get public money for projects that relate to tourism. The condominium brochures are so heavily photo-shopped you would think the $50 million dollar units located next to a public beach are located on Necker Island.
"Is there no understanding of how this will look as a failure - acres and acres of abandoned concrete..."
an urban explorer's future wet dream.
Complete and total dumpster fire disaster otherwise. I can kind of see this project working SOMEWHERE ELSE, but not in northwestern Miami-Dade County. The roads and infrastructure in that area won't even have enough capacity to get the employees in and out of there!! It's all bottled up in that area -- there's no way in or out other than Miami Gardens Drive or I-75. FAILURE!!!
This thing..... makes me genuinely mad.
Maybe it will be like a gigantic flee market where cheap chinese goods are sold for pennies on the dollar as opposed to dollars in Walmart or the dollar stores. China produces a lot of goods and sells them to American vendors. Why not just skip the vendors, go straight to the American consumers with the real cost of these products?
In a related item: Four lawyers registered (March 4) with Dade County as lobbyists representing Genting’s Resorts World Miami.
Javier F. Aviñó, a Partner in Bilzin Sumberg’s Land Development & Government Relations Group
Albert E. Dotson, Jr., a Bilzin Sumberg partner who represents real estate developers in securing land use, zoning and other government approvals and permits for large-scale real estate developments
A. Vicky Garcia-Toledo, a Bilzin Sumberg partner who focuses on land development, land use, zoning and government relations
Rena Kelley, a Bilzin Sumberg associate who focuses on land use and zoning matterslated item:
Who is lobbing for American Dream? Someone had to get it to the mayor?
I checked State lobbyists and couldn't find anything.
I don't know who got it to the mayor, but the recently resigned RER Deputy (Asst?) Director Josh Gelfman was the one that had been working this one in the Mayor's office for the past year. It would be predictable if he shows up as one of their lobbyists. Also - GOD - you are really good at research... Take a look at who owns what land and see how it is being exchanged. There's probably something to that as well. Finally, the area is largely wetlands. They may be degraded, but that land still provides aquifer recharge and habitat. Shame that we are going to loose more.
go back to CHINA!
Does Carlos Gimenez ever do any due diligence? Does he have dopes for aides? What a cesspool.
I did look at the property ownership quickly. Mostly owned by the Graham brothers. The new website sucks for the property appraiser. It is hard to navigate it keeps going back-and-forth in magnification. I could've sworn I saw Codina's name but I can't be sure I didn't look hard enough. Now I don't have a computer for five days.
To be truly American, there should be gun shooting ranges and ISIS recruiting centers.
The uneducated Miami voters, mostly Dems, need to work somewhere. Stocking shelves, flipping burgers, sweeping floors, serving drinks and obeying a cash register are important skills.
This has winner written all over it. Gimenez will get votes from the urban core after this passes. This is the first step for Monestime's Prosperity Committee.
It is not just Walmart and the Dollar stores filled with Chinese goods, it's Macy's, Bloomingdales, Saks, and most other retailers. The joke is on us. When we stopped making things we set ourselves up for failure. The middle man is cut out. Why go to Dadeland for Chinese goods, when you can go directly to the Chinese shopping center and get their stuff directly from them for much less?
It is not a Chinese shopping center. I said I thought there was Chinese money involved in the investment. It is a typical mall with mall products.
Yes, a mall full of Chinese products!
Maybe this is a part of China's 300 year plan. Silly Americans are still operating on a day-to-day basis spending all their time fighting each other. Once you control the means of production and most manufacturing, because of dependence, it is easy to shift to the next level.
But of course Gimenez and friends are ignoring the fact the land is on the edge of the Everglades, wetlands in fact, flood prone and vulnerable to image change sea level rise, water which will be oozing up no matter how much fill they pack on top. Get real. Leave that land open to absorb the rising waters, buy the rest of us more time.
Its just stupid. Miami taxpayers need to bring out the pitchforks and torches period. The elected hacks have second homes anywhere but Florida. Everyone needs to remember developers will leave and DO NOT CARE what they leave behind.
I don't buy the Chinese connection I bet they are just straw buyers for the Castro brothers. The mall will be the distributing point in the US for Cohiba and Havana Club. The ski slope will be made of Cocaine and a giant statue of Tony Montana complete with M16 with RPG will be placed at the entrance.
Say Hello to My "little" Mall!
You sure are right about one thing, the Miami-Dade County property appraiser's new property search website SUCKS! Doesn't anyone in the department check to make sure these applications perform properly? I miss the old map search, that was at least reliable.
The real issue is water supply. It will take millions of gallons each day for the water park, ski slopes, water buffalo and walrus exhibit. Where does all this treated water come from? The crappy water plant that Hialeah built to supply this UDB-expansion area is shut down frequently because of bacteria problems.
The lobbyist is Vicky Garcia-Toledo who's husband is another lobbyist close to Carlos Gimenez. Needless to say, Vicky is mighty late registering this client,
I read through all the negativity, and tried to focus on positive possibilities. We NEED to builtd something that attracts money. I remember years ago, when Orlando residents were all up in arms when they heard of a mega theme park was going to be built. Today, Orlando is one of the most visited cities of the world! Disney employs a lot of people; they may be low-paying jobs, but at least they're employed! Another visionary was to build casinos and entertainment in the middle of the desert...Las Vegas!
Also became one of the most visited cities, and brought in much needed revenues. Yes, Miami has its beautiful beaches, but it's not enough to attract mega monies. We are not unique with beaches...anyone can go to any part of Florida, the Gulf or any Caribbean island and experience the same thing...beaches.
The Ski Slope and winter theme will attract Floridians that are looking for relief from the excruciating heat felt most days of the year. Built it, and they will come!
Vicky Garcia Toledo is registered for Resorts World which is Genting.
Hey Republicans, if there was a Florida Dept of Community Affairs, this bitch wouldn't make it to first base. But your team hit the home run. Lol. Long live the Republican Party!
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