tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post5567032001357697943..comments2024-03-08T05:08:55.233-05:00Comments on EYE ON MIAMI: On the role of citizens in the future of the US economy ... by gimleteyeGeniusofdespairhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01105559930040615945noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-17576270150418853292010-03-28T10:32:22.463-04:002010-03-28T10:32:22.463-04:00The it, I was referring to is Florida Hometown Dem...The it, I was referring to is Florida Hometown Democracy Amendment 4. I haven't admitted anything. <br />I don't know how long you have been living in Florida and how long you have been paying attention to the comprehensive land use process, but I have been doing it for long enough to tell you that every Evaluation and Appraisal Report results in millions of dollars spent on special Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17912641022971805944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-41323829547928743732010-03-28T09:55:27.975-04:002010-03-28T09:55:27.975-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17912641022971805944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-77677808829365442242010-03-28T09:18:33.909-04:002010-03-28T09:18:33.909-04:00Join the Chamber of Commerce. Make the world a bet...Join the Chamber of Commerce. Make the world a better place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-83431444193695865192010-03-27T15:15:44.398-04:002010-03-27T15:15:44.398-04:00Jill, why do you want local officials held to exis...Jill, why do you want local officials held to existing comp plans? What exhaustive study has led you to believe that existing comp plans are the best of all possible plans? <br /><br />Sparky, why do you assume that anyone who disagrees with you is spouting propaganda? Aren't other people allowed to have sincere beliefs that they arrived at by independent thought? <br /><br />You write Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-73600634747234646262010-03-27T11:54:39.523-04:002010-03-27T11:54:39.523-04:00Anon:
standing alone, your point about process con...Anon:<br />standing alone, your point about process contains a grain of truth, but like all good propaganda, that grain of truth is irrelevant in this context. amendment 4, like any other exercise in participatory democracy, cannot guarantee good results, and in that sense you are correct. however, that point is simply not relevant because when weighed against the status quo, it offers at least sparkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040750257266963659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-77626446644485115872010-03-26T22:51:06.263-04:002010-03-26T22:51:06.263-04:00It promotes no change?
Yes it does. It promotes ch...It promotes no change?<br />Yes it does. It promotes change from the status quo of developers guiding growth through requested land use changes rather than local officials being held to their adopted land use plans.<br />We haven't gotten into this mess through stagnation, but through mutation.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17912641022971805944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-61337857855096194392010-03-26T15:46:15.071-04:002010-03-26T15:46:15.071-04:00Umm, let's see, in detail, ok, Amendment 4 req...Umm, let's see, in detail, ok, Amendment 4 requires a referendum for any comp plan change, so it promotes no change, which is an other way of saying more of the same discredited 1950s planning that most comp plans embody. Jill, I challenge you to explain how Amendment 4 results in NOT more of the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-17793617158266271232010-03-25T18:20:18.409-04:002010-03-25T18:20:18.409-04:00Please expalin in detail how amendment 4 will resu...Please expalin in detail how amendment 4 will result in more of the same.<br />If what you are saying is true, the Florida Home Builders Association and the Florida Chamber of Commerce and all the the supporters of Floridians for Smarter Growth like Wal-Mart, Publix and US Sugar would not be frothing at the mouth at the prospect of it passing.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17912641022971805944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-59296672548404428502010-03-25T12:05:45.449-04:002010-03-25T12:05:45.449-04:00AMENDMENT 4 MEANS MORE OF THE SAME!!! AMENDMENT 4...AMENDMENT 4 MEANS MORE OF THE SAME!!! AMENDMENT 4 GUARANTEES MORE OF THE SAME!!! THE SAME DISCREDITED COMP PLANS, THE SAME SPRAWLING DEVELOPMENT, MOST OF WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY COMP PLAN CHANGE, I.E. NO REFERENDUM EVEN IF AMENDMENT 4 PASSES. <br /><br />But if Amendment 4 passes and a community wants to improve its planning, say by allowing more mixed-use or clustering development around Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-34327309987940319852010-03-25T08:24:02.868-04:002010-03-25T08:24:02.868-04:00I used to think Hurricane season was the most dang...I used to think Hurricane season was the most dangerous time of year in Florida but clearly the most dangerous time of year in Florida is when the state legislature is in session. Can someone remind me of one good thing that has come out of this body of corrupt and evil people in TLH in recent years? Florida needs to wake up and look to the future - and the future is not the construction industry.miaexilenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-53664238999554668512010-03-25T08:07:01.626-04:002010-03-25T08:07:01.626-04:00I'm with you, Sparky, defies all logic. But Fl...I'm with you, Sparky, defies all logic. But Florida has never been known for its logic.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17912641022971805944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-8962396605767056732010-03-24T17:16:00.782-04:002010-03-24T17:16:00.782-04:00anyone care to speculate on the odds that the two ...anyone care to speculate on the odds that the two anon posts above this one were written by the same person? i must just be wired the wrong way: i can't understand how anyone can look at what has happened in this state and say the answer is "more of the same."sparkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040750257266963659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-37665914751903642872010-03-24T16:11:59.094-04:002010-03-24T16:11:59.094-04:00So EOM wants to wait until after "federal and...So EOM wants to wait until after "federal and state level financial regulations of mortgage pools and subsequent securitization to good development policies" before raising the level of public discourse on planning from "wait, wait!" to "what will our kids' world look like? What jobs will they have? How will they get to work?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-61716246500428236072010-03-24T16:08:10.730-04:002010-03-24T16:08:10.730-04:00So EOM absolves itself of having to come up with a...So EOM absolves itself of having to come up with any progressive planning idea until after some "level the playing field" event, which you think Amendment 4 will be? You prefer to lock in discredited comp plans rather than fight for progressive planning because you find the fight tedious? Cry me a river. Go set up another straw man to knock down, while others think UPWARDS of one Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-16155247784231236302010-03-24T13:52:35.998-04:002010-03-24T13:52:35.998-04:00Florida's economy reminds me of those sinkhole...Florida's economy reminds me of those sinkholes in Orlando...everything looks fine on the surface and the next day your local Porsche dealership is sixty feet below the street. Everything that held you up seems to have drained away.<br /><br />In Florida, greedy speculators and their paid enablers have siphoned off the support. It matters little that my own home is (for now) on firm ground. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37248244.post-58369617194855384812010-03-24T13:51:33.392-04:002010-03-24T13:51:33.392-04:00Jobs bill has provisions to block environmental ch...Jobs bill has provisions to block environmental checks for developers<br />Environmental rules could be radically loosened for developers statewide under a new provision slipped into a Senate jobs bill<br /><br />BY JOHN FRANK AND CRAIG PITTMAN<br />Herald/Times Tallahassee Bureau<br /><br /><br />TALLAHASSEE -- A jobs bill being considered by the Legislature includes several little-noticed Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com